Quebec election: Legault is an expert on immigration, Granby candidate says

Quebec election: Legault is an expert on immigration, Granby candidate says
Quebec election: Liberals promise more money to buy electric cars
Immigration policy, once again, featured as a key issue in Quebec's election campaign as Liberal Leader Philippe Couillard and his chief rival François Legault, the leader of Coalition Avenir Québec, sparred repeatedly at Monday's historic English-language debate.

It was the first televised debate in English between Quebec's political leaders, with two weeks left before Quebecers go to the polls Oct. 1. 

Switching to electric vehicles supports the Quebec economy, Couillard added, because while someone paying for gas is paying for a resource from outside the province or country, charging an electric car battery uses Quebec’s source of hydroelectricity.

The showdown came at a crucial moment in the 39-day race, after no clear winner emerged from last week's French-language debate and Legault, the front-runner, fumbled questions about his party's immigration platform over the weekend. 

“By definition, businesses want to answer demand from customers. Right now there’s a significant upswing in demand and it will only increase. I’d rather rely on market forces and only temporarily on financial incentives.”

Couillard repeatedly took aim at Legault's plan to cut the number of immigrants by more than 20 per cent, to 40,000 a year, and to impose French-language and values tests on new arrivals.

Quebec has set an ambitious target of getting 100,000 electric vehicles (either full electric or plug-in electric/gas hybrids) on its roads by 2020. It would like to see electric vehicles account for one-third of all new vehicle sales by 2030.

"I have never heard a political leader in Quebec, ever, recommend not only diminishing the number of immigrants we take in, but proposing expulsion tests for immigrants, which made them very, very frightened today," Couillard said.

While making the promise, the party said it helped more than 37,000 families in the province purchase electric or hybrid cars in the last four years, making Quebec “a Canadian leader.”

The CAQ leader countered that the current immigration policy isn't working because too many new arrivals — 26 per cent, he said — are leaving the province.

"What we think at the CAQ is that it's better to take less but give each of them more services," Legault said.

“We are privileged in Quebec to have abundant natural resources and be able to rely on several forms of renewable energy, including hydroelectricity,” Couillard said.

Parti Québécois Leader Jean-François Lisée, who was clearly the most comfortable in his second language, slammed both of his main rivals, telling Couillard: "You talk a good talk, but your track record is dismal."

“I don’t like to intrude in people’s life choices,” he said. “We like to make choices easier for them, but not make the choices for them.

Lisée said the Couillard government hasn't invested enough in integrating and teaching French to immigrants.

"You would scare them away," Lisée told Legault. "You know so little about immigration."

The additions would bring the total rebate available in Quebec for buying electric cars to $9,000. The rebate is only available for cars under $75,000.

Manon Massé, whose left-leaning Québec Solidaire appears poised to make gains on Oct. 1, was the least comfortable in English and, at times, struggled to articulate her platform.

A Liberal government would also add a $200 grant for people to buy chargers for their homes, bringing that total to $800.

In a question from a Nigerian refugee, who asked about the challenges of finding a job as an English speaker, she made reference to her own difficulties.

Liberal leader Philippe Couillard , left to right, PQ leader Jean-Francois Lisee, CAQ leader Francois Legault and Quebec Solidaire leader Manon Masse, right, pose for photos before their English debate Monday, September 17, 2018 in Montreal, Que. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Ryan Remiorz

"It's hard to learn a new a language," she said. "With real investment in French-language training, I think that will help."

Couillard, whose party has historically enjoyed the overwhelming support of the anglophone community, said his strong fiscal management in the early years of his mandate has allowed the province to have the means to reinvest in health care and education services.

The debate touched on six main subjects: education, health, the economy, the environment, identity and relations with English-speaking Quebecers.

Manon Masse, co-spokesperson for the fourth-placed party, Quebec solidaire, said her party is committed to instituting quotas to ensure the civil service has a certain percentage of visible minorities and representation from the English-speaking community.

The leaders picked up on many of the key talking points they have been stressing throughout the campaign.

"I recognize the value of Quebecs English-speaking community," Lisee said. "I stood with you in battles against the Liberal government when it took away control over English hospitals and tried to scrap English school boards."

The challenges of keeping anglophones in the province and turning out fully bilingual young people ready for the Quebec workforce disintegrated into a shouting match between Couillard and Legault over who could do a better job of bookkeeping.

While the debate themes were targeted to the provinces anglophone minority, such as access to the labour market for English-speaking youth, the election campaigns hot-button theme of immigration quickly surged to the forefront.

Couillard argued that Legault's proposal to open pre-kindergarten classrooms across the province for all four-year-olds was unrealistic.

"You didn't cost it," said Couillard, a retired neurosurgeon. "You vastly underestimated the cost in your financial statement."

Legault replied: "You're a doctor. I'm a chartered accountant. I think I know the numbers better than you."

He made sure to state "French should be the common language" in the province, but also said his party defended the English-speaking community during the Liberals centralization efforts in the health network.

On a question about access to health care in English in the regions, Legault again hammered away at Couillard for his government's deal with specialists, who now earn more than their counterparts in Ontario.

The CAQ leader said the money spent on that agreement should have gone to improving care, especially outside Montreal.

The leaders described how Anglo-Quebecers are respected members of the community, despite the fact a mini-controversy erupted in the province about the fact there was actually going to be an English-language debate.

"You could not tear this agreement apart," Couillard said in defence, countering that the agreement had ensured specialists would be available in rural areas.

Quebecs four would-be premiers sparred in their second language on Monday, making pitches in choppy English to the anglophone community in the provinces first-ever televised English-language debate.

For his part, Lisée suggested the comparison between specialist salaries in Quebec and "Doug Ford's Ontario" is moot.

"Its distressful the way you speak about immigrants," he said directly to Legault, whose party wants to expel immigrants who fail to pass a French test after three years in the province.

That was echoed by Couillard, who said his government's recently formed secretariat for anglophone issues aims to ensure access to health care services in English.

Couillard, responding to a debate question from an anglophone refugee from Nigeria, said, "the way we talk about immigration and immigrants is not always positive."

Lisée referred to the speech he "famously wrote" for Lucien Bouchard in the former PQ premier's historic meeting with anglophone Quebecers at the Centaur Theatre in 1996.   

"Mr. Bouchard said when you're in pain, when you get to the hospital, you don't need a language test, you need a blood test."

"That was a good speech," Couillard interjected, laughing, prompting a smile from the PQ leader — the first hint of the evening that the PQ and the Liberal leaders see themselves as allies in the fight to wrest votes from the CAQ's Legault.

When discussion turned to the economy and Quebec's high income tax burden, the CAQ leader said a critical problem is the persistent wage gap between workers in Ontario and Quebec.

"This gap of 11 per cent was there 15 years ago, and it hasn't changed," said Legault.

"The main economic challenge facing Quebec today is not salary," snapped Couillard in response. "It's [the] labour shortage — which Mr. Legault refuses to recognize exists."

CBC Quebec presented the debate, in partnership with CTV, Global, CJAD, Citytv and the Montreal Gazette. 

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